Monday, January 19, 2009

Free at Last, Free at Last, Oh Lordy, Free at Last





















President Bush finally commuted the sentences of Ramos and Campeon. While I think they made an error in judgement in trying to cover up the shooting, I think the time the got and served was too severe. I wouldn't want to be a border patrol agent, especially with the limitations they have and the lack of support they have from the federal government. Their trial was a kangaroo court as well. Had they not tried to cover up the shooting and just reported it, they wouldn't be were they are now. All I can hope for is that they get their lives back and have some normalcy. 












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15 comments:

Héctor said...

What did they do?

The Right Guy said...

A couple links:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51417
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkiFu4FFfmQ

Héctor said...

Other newstories say they assaulted, beat and shot in the ass a (mexican) drug smuggler. They later allowed him to escape.
I don't know where you stand on this particular issue, but do you think police brutality is justified when you've already detained the suspect? And then shooting him?
What if they'd they killed him (which I don't know if was what they were trying to do when they shot him)?

You say you wouldn't want to be a Border Patrol Agent. Me neither, it's a high pressure job (sometimes). But those who are BP Agents should be trained so they don't use excessive force.

The Right Guy said...

I don't go for police brutality, but I haven't heard anything but that they shot the guy in the ass while he was escaping. From what i understand, the guy's mother has friends in the mexican embassy that pressured bush to prosecute those guys and the prosecutor in the case was friends with people in the consulate as well. A four star circle jerk. I think they served enough time for covering a shooting they shouldn't have covered up. They would have been in far less trouble. As far as excessive force goes, it's a hard job when you have mexican mercenaries with Hummers that have machines guns mounted on them going up to 60 miles inside US territory and all you have is a 9mm. I wouldn't put up with that crap if I was president. On top of it, you have drug lords and other criminals kidnapping people in this country and taking them back to mexico, held for ransom, killed, or used as a sex slaves. Read another side of it...

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/13098/

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/1657/

The Right Guy said...

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/1657/

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/13098/

The Right Guy said...

glenn1
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Héctor said...

"On top of it, you have drug lords and other criminals kidnapping people in this country and taking them back to mexico, held for ransom, killed, or used as a sex slaves."
Now you know how it is in this side of the border. Perhaps now you can understand better why do so many people migrate to the USA, even if it has to be illegally.
On the other hand, the US BP does give medical assistance to the inmigrants that they find (sometimes dehidrating and/or starving). I really respect that.

The Right Guy said...

Hector, if anything has been revealed to me in our conversations, it's the human side of illegal immigration. Yes I get it why they come here, and I can't blame them. I just wish the economic conditions were such that people in your country could get in the race. Ben Franklin said the fish stinks from the head. It sounds like you are going to have your hands full getting rid of the worst of the corruption.

bint alshamsa said...

The Right Guy,

It sounds like you are going to have your hands full getting rid of the worst of the corruption.

You know, I think this is where America could make the most progress in solving the border issues. If we helped Mexicans create the kind of society that they want, there would be fewer reasons for people to risk their lives crossing the border and taking their chances with whatever sort of people we have guarding it. We spend so much money trying to work things from just this side of the border. I just don't see how that's been very effective (I'm not saying that you're claiming it has been). I think that our approach needs a drastic change. When it comes to feeding your family, there are no risks that someone won't be willing to face. If the only possible means of feeding your family are on the other side, then folks are going to cross over. I think that we could benefit both countries if we refused to work with any corrupt politicians or organizations inside of Mexico. That doesn't mean we should blame all Mexicans for what the powerful few are able to do with the steady influx of American dollars.

Anyway, that's just a few of my thoughts. I know it's not terribly original but it's just the direction that I think will work best. What do y'all think?

Héctor said...

Indeed.
For now, Mexican government is waging war to all drug cartels. A war without any major strategy, except fighting them everywhere they are. If that war is won, we won't even be halfway through with corruption in Mexico...

Héctor said...

Indeed.
For now, Mexican government is waging war to all drug cartels. A war without any major strategy, except fighting them everywhere they are. If that war is won, we won't even be halfway through with corruption in Mexico...

Héctor said...

You're not going to like this, Right Guy, but unrestricted gun sale makes it easier to drug cartels to smuggle heavy firepower to Mexico (and I'm talking about assault rifles, granades, etc.). Myabe requiring buyers to be citizens is a good idea?

Personally, I believe that if we want to stop corruption in Mexico, we Mexicans must create new institutions that make it easier to find out which politicians are corrupt. We also need institutions that punish those who are corrupt. Mario Marín, the governor of Puebla was linked to a child pornography network and strong evidence was presented showing he had used his power to protect members of said network. That was back in 2006. He is still governor, and will be until the end of his term.

The Right Guy said...

You are mixing the ideas of guns and ordinance. They are two different things. Gun rights have to do with arms. Ordinance is military weapons. i can't buy ordinance easily, as it is illegal for me to do so, but I can arm myself. Restricting gun rights will have no impact on drug dealers getting heavy arms and ordinance. Does that make sense? Assault rifles may fall in between. Fully automatic weapons require a federal class III license in this country and not all stats allow them. I'd have a hard time justify trying to get one if I wanted to. On the other hand, I have owned semi-automatic versions myself, and see no problem with that. To be honest, if you can't hit with one shot, 20-30 more may not help. :) The only thing that will help is a consistent rule of law that is enforced fairly, consistently and continually. Even the US has problems with this, but it is much easier to get just ice here than most places. What I am afraid of is that things will continually go down a socialist and oligarchical path in this country and people will get so fed up that they pick a tyrant and/or someone with the cult of personality. Some might say we already have, but i think it get a whole lot worse. BAd times encourage people to believe in absurdities, which gives the despot a way in. Call it malignant populism if you will. We need to get back to basics.

The Right Guy said...

Bint:
I don't believe in welfare, or socialism. never have, never will, but I believe that everyone has a right to be in the race, to sit at the table. How you get there is another story. It sounds to me as if a lot of mexicans lack unity of purpose when it comes to getting rid of the shit. We are going down that road here. Shit, it's not enough to be politically active anymore, but that politicians only serve constituencies that are represented by lobbies. It's a multi-level representative government. We need to cut out one or two middlemen, unfortunately the ones that make the rules want it the way it is. Instead, they keep us running around in circles over Populist notions of economic security or social constructs, IE gay married, etc. Throw in that we have become dependent on other people solving our problems, and it's a prescription for getting ripped off, and screwed. If more people would see the locus of control in themselves than outside themselves, made be we could get something going. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't seem to want to be responsible for their own lives, whether it's making bad judgements on getting a mortgage, to bankruptcy, to making a living. And I am not talking about destitute people too. We don't need the messianic leadership we have now, but someone that says it sucks and it's time to grow the fuck up.

The Right Guy said...

HEctor:
The drug cartels and the government want to be the seat of power. It should be in the people.

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